Legacy in Focus: Dr. Becky Senf Captures the Impact of the University of Arizona’s Center for Creative Photography

Here are some key moments from our conversation with Dr. Becky Senf:

• [00:04:29] A Chance Encounter Sparks a Vision
  University President John Schaefer boldly asks Ansel Adams about archiving his life’s work — a question that plants the seed for the CCP.

• [00:05:17] Why an Archive, Not Just a Museum
  Adams didn’t want a monument to himself — he wanted a place where photographers’ tools, notes, and processes would be studied.

• [00:08:48] The Fight to Make Photography an Art Form
  Dr. Senf explains how Adams spent his career pushing institutions to recognize photography as fine art — a mission that shaped the CCP’s foundation.

• [00:14:43] 120,000 Prints and 8 Million Stories
  The CCP’s collections have grown into one of the most comprehensive photographic archives in the world — and it’s all based in Tucson.

• [00:18:22] Photographers Are Never Alone
  Through letters, collaborations, and rivalries, the CCP’s materials show how artists are part of vibrant creative networks — not solitary geniuses.

• [00:17:30] Artifacts That Tell a Human Story
  From wedding rings to war helmets, the archives preserve the deeply personal elements that shaped iconic photographers’ lives.

In this episode of Life Along The Streetcar, host Tom Heath welcomes Dr. Becky Senf, Chief Curator at the Center for Creative Photography (CCP), to reflect on an extraordinary Tucson story. It’s a story that begins with a bold conversation and results in a global treasure trove of visual art, housed right on the University of Arizona campus.

The CCP is celebrating its 50th anniversary in 2025, marking five decades of preserving not just photographs, but the very essence of photographic creativity. From the center’s surprising beginnings to its far-reaching cultural influence, this conversation brings light to an institution that many Tucsonans have yet to fully explore, and one that the world continues to look to for photographic scholarship.

A Bold Vision, A Lasting Archive — The Birth of the CCP

The story of the CCP begins in 1975 with an unlikely but powerful partnership: John Schaefer, then the young and ambitious president of the University of Arizona, and Ansel Adams, already a towering figure in American photography. Their shared passion sparked an idea, not to build a museum in the traditional sense, but to create a space where photographers’ working materials, notes, negatives, and creative processes could be preserved and studied.

During the episode, Dr. Senf recounts how Schaefer’s straightforward pitch to Adams, made at the opening of a university photo exhibition, challenged the famed photographer to consider placing his archives not in California, but in the heart of the Sonoran Desert. Adams was intrigued, and within months, plans were in motion. The result was the CCP, a first-of-its-kind institution dedicated to photography not as a technical process, but as a vital and evolving art form.

Today, that early vision still shapes everything the CCP does, elevating Tucson not just as a place where great photography is shown, but where the story of photography itself is told.

A Global Resource Rooted in Tucson

While the Center for Creative Photography was born out of a local initiative, its impact stretches far beyond Southern Arizona. Dr. Senf details how the center’s archives now include more than 300 individual collections and over 120,000 fine art prints. Scholars, artists, and historians from around the world visit Tucson to study its materials, which also include contact sheets, proof prints, correspondence, teaching notes, and even personal artifacts like wedding rings and darkroom tools.

The CCP doesn’t simply show photography; it documents the entire ecosystem of creative practice. From 20th-century icons to contemporary innovators, the collections reveal how photographers interacted, influenced each other, and shaped visual culture. Dr. Senf emphasizes how rare and valuable this kind of archival depth is and how Tucson is uniquely privileged to host it.

Often compared to a “Smithsonian of Photography,” the CCP has earned its reputation as a global resource. And yet, it remains remarkably accessible to the public, students, and curious visitors, a reminder that Tucson plays a significant role in preserving creative history.

From Snapshot to Fine Art — Championing Photography’s Creative Legacy

At the heart of this conversation is a deeper cultural question: When did photography stop being seen as merely mechanical, and start being respected as art?

In the 1970s, when the CCP was founded, photography still fought for a place in galleries and academic institutions. Ansel Adams, a lifelong advocate for photography as a legitimate art form, wanted to ensure that future generations could study the medium seriously, not just as documentation, but as expression.

Dr. Senf, whose own academic work focuses on Adams, explains how the CCP played a critical role in this cultural shift. By archiving process alongside product, the center allowed photography to be studied in the same rigorous way as painting, sculpture, or literature.

Today, in an age when nearly everyone carries a camera in their pocket, the CCP offers a powerful reminder: photography is meaningful. And the conversations it sparks, the history it captures, and the art it creates all deserve a home.

Tucson’s Hidden Gem — Visit the Center for Creative Photography

If you’ve never visited the Center for Creative Photography, now is the perfect time. As it celebrates its 50th year, the CCP is showcasing a special anniversary exhibition featuring archival artifacts, personal stories, and some of the most iconic images ever made.

Whether you’re a lifelong photographer, a casual art lover, or someone simply curious about Tucson’s rich cultural fabric, the CCP offers an experience unlike any other. Walk through the same halls that house Ansel Adams’ archives. See the tools that shaped the 20th century’s most famous photographs and explore the stories behind the lens — the creative decisions, the historical moments, the personal connections.

Located near Olive and Second Street, just off the Sun Link streetcar route, the CCP is easy to access and always worth your time. It’s more than a gallery — it’s a living, breathing archive of human vision.

🎧 Listen to the episode above
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📍 Plan your visit at ccp.arizona.edu

Tom Heath
Good morning. It’s a bit of sunny in the old pueblo. And you’re listening to Kate in Tucson. Thank you for spending a part of your burnt shower with us on your downtown Tucson community. Sponsored, all volunteer powered rock and roll radio station. This week we speak with Doctor Becky Smith, chief curator at the center for Creative Photography on the University of Arizona campus.

Tom Heath
This is part one of a two part conversation. We’re going to explore her path into the world of photography. The stories behind some of the Center’s most iconic collections, and the history of how the center for Creative Photography ended up at the U of A. Today is June 15th, 2025. My name is Tom Heath and this is life along the street.

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Tom Heath
I don’t know, I made that up. Maybe they should be on a card somewhere. So I’m kind of excited about today’s show, the center for Creative Photography, that’s been on our list for a while. It just hasn’t quite worked out timing wise. It’s actually going to end up being a two part episode, because the conversation with, Becky South just really, was just fabulous.

Tom Heath
So we’ll, we’ll jump into that here in a moment. But it is summer, so kind of want to get a sense of what’s going on out there. Just remember, if you are out and about in the downtown area, you know, the shops and the restaurants, they’re still open. They could use a little love and support. But when you get down there, just a reminder that, starting, in June, earlier this month, they opened up a parking, times of on the meters until 7 p.m. and added Saturdays into the mix.

Tom Heath
And I know what you’re thinking. Oh my gosh. Now, it’s expensive to park in downtown, but the reality is, this was done more from a perspective of creating parking spots. I’ve seen many of the parking studies done over the years, and believe it or not, I even as a merchant in downtown and someone who lives downtown thinks this, this makes sense because this should open up more parking opportunities in that, time slot from 8 a.m. to 7 p.m..

Tom Heath
Because those of us that live downtown aren’t, taking those spots up the entire weekend. So, yeah, you might need to pay a quarter or a buck or so to parking the meters on a Saturday. But the good news is, you probably should find a meter. And, you can park, hop on the streetcar and explore around as well.

Tom Heath
And while you’re on there, maybe head over to the second street. Stop there, near Olive. Hop out and you can get over to the center for Creative Photography, where you might run into, Chief curator Doctor Becky Sims. We got her to sit down with us at the show Source Studios and record an interview about the the really how this center came to be.

Tom Heath
It was the passion of the president at the time that really, drove this, this effort. And, believe it or not, Ansel Adams is iconic for photography for, really saw an opportunity to create a legacy for film, for photography. And it was a perfect match. Great series of events that led to that.

Tom Heath
And here’s the first part of our two part series with, Doctor Becky. Some. Well, it is, my distinct pleasure to welcome into the show here, Becky Smith. My saying that right you are. Okay, good. I was practicing, but I know what is practicing. So is practicing a lot of different ways of saying it. The, you’re with the center for Creative Photography, which is a topic, honestly, we’ve been meaning to, to highlight for some time and thought we’d wait until your 50th anniversary, which is this year, right?

Becky Senf
That’s correct. We were founded in 1975 by then university president John Schaefer and the photographer Ansel Adams. I think people might have heard of him. I have heard of him. So they actually started their conversation just for a year before. Doctor Schaefer, as you probably know, was a very young university president. And when he tells the story, he says, you know, I thought I should get to do some fun things if I was going to have to do all these hard things.

Becky Senf
And he was a photographer himself. And so he had the idea to invite Ansel Adams to do a show at the University of Arizona. And he says, I was so young and so naive about the ways of fundraising that I just walked right up to Ansel Adams at the opening and said, so what are your plans for your archive?

Becky Senf
Maybe you’d like to give it to the University of Arizona and Ansel Adams, who, at the time was he would have been 72 years old, and a very straight shooter. He was a Californian, you know, Westerner. Easy going guy said to Doctor Shafer. Well, that’s an interesting question. My plan has been to give it to the University of California, Berkeley, the Bancroft Library, because they have the Sierra Club archives.

Becky Senf
And so there I would be in an environmentalist context, which is fine, but if you wanted to put me in a photography context, I let’s we could talk about that. And so this was the spring of 74 and December of 74. Doctor Shafer went, to Carmel, California, and spent a week with Ansel Adams at his home. And they talked about this idea.

Becky Senf
And at that point, Ansel Adams expressed an interest in an archive in particular, not not a museum of Ansel Adams, and not even just a museum of photography, but an archive, a place where all the working materials that surrounded a photographer’s creative process could also be cared for and accessible to researchers. And so that was December of 74.

Becky Senf
And by May 15th of 1975, they inaugurated the CCP at the University of Arizona.

Tom Heath
That’s fantastic. I just I love that concept of a photographer. It’s a he is the university doctor. Shafer. The way I use this show, I want to learn more about things. So it’s really all about me. What can I get out of this? And I want to learn more. And it’s like I when I’m a photographer, I want to exact in the building.

Tom Heath
It’s the Schaefer building right there. That’s right, that’s right. It’s the school. His name is attached somehow to the center.

Becky Senf
To the building. Okay. Yeah. That’s right. Yeah. But I mean, Doctor Schaefer has stayed involved, and he’s someone I know well. And we are so grateful for his continued investment and and you know, he’s a he’s a really spectacular person.

Tom Heath
Well I was looking and doing the the very limited research that I do for any show. And I one of my habits is to look at old newspaper articles. And so there are a lot of really fun articles of, of, Ansel Adams when he was at the university and, and his I think he was very emphatic, too, that he wanted to have other art, make sure other photographers of the time were part of this collection.

Becky Senf
Yeah. So so I’m actually a scholar of Ansel Adams. My doctoral dissertation was on Adams, and I published a book about him in 2020. And so I think a lot about Ansel Adams, and I thought a lot about his investment in creating the CCP. He was someone who his whole life he was institution building. He started a gallery when he was in his 30s.

Becky Senf
He helped found the photography department at the museum of Modern Art. In 1940, he helped found aperture magazine. Then he created something called Friends of Photography and then eventually the CCP. And I think that that institution building was a part of his investment in the medium of photography. He was a real supporter of photography. And in this moment when we all carry this high powered, amazing camera in our pocket, right, that is not only a camera, but you can do post-production on it and you can distribute right from your same device.

Becky Senf
It’s, I think, hard to imagine how different photography was and how it fit into culture. In 1975, it was very different and he had spent really his entire life, his entire career advocating for the potential for photography and that it was an art form and that it allowed an expressive potential for artists and that museums should be showing it and that people should be collecting it.

Becky Senf
And these 50 years later, we’re in a very different place. You know, photography exhibitions at museums are some of the largest draws, and lots of people have a sense of photography and the role it plays. But I think for Adams, creating an archive where there would be documentation of the evolution of the medium over the 20th century was really important, and that researchers would have a place to go and find out what had people said, and how had the medium changed over that period of time, and how had it grown?

Becky Senf
And what I mean, he he didn’t know that it was going to be that it was going to win as much as it has won. But he wanted to make sure that the whole conversation that surrounded photography’s importance was documented.

Tom Heath
We are chatting with Doctor Becky, so she’s the chief curator for the center for Creative Photography on the University of Arizona campus. Kind of getting a sense of how this all started, with the president at the time, John Shafer, Ansel Adams coming together, having a conversation and really, both wanting to put together a first class facility on, not just film and photography, but also the importance of it.

Tom Heath
And we’ll, you know, after the break, talk a little bit more about it as an art form, which in the 70s, when this the center was created, wasn’t the case. But first, I want to remind you that you’re listening to life along the streetcar in downtown radio streaming on downtown radio.org.

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Tom Heath
Well welcome back. If you’re just joining us, our guest today is Doctor Becky Sam from the center for Creative Photography. This is actually part one of a two part series. We’ll have part two next week. My conversation with her just was just riveting, and we just honestly lost track of time. So I said, you know what? We’re not cutting anything.

Tom Heath
There’s no reason to edit down this fabulous conversation, so we’ll just make it a two parter. In the earlier session, just before the break, we were kind of talking about the history of how the president of the University of Time, John Shafer, Ansel Adams, the, really world renowned photographer, got together and started a dialog about creating a center where they could have beautiful photography but also document the, the methods in the, in the, the, the details of making and creating, the art of photography, which at the time, was not a, really well understood medium as art.

Tom Heath
So we’re going to kind of chat about that as we get into the next section of this interview. I that to me was one of the things that caught my attention that I guess I didn’t realize until that time frame that photography really wasn’t looked at as an art form, in the way that we see it now and again in some of these articles.

Tom Heath
There was actually a lot of concern in the community, like, why are we investing this much money into a photography center? Why don’t we just make this a piece of the museum? Right? Because it’s just photography. And Doctor Shafer was very adamant that, you know, it needed its own spot.

Becky Senf
That’s right. And I think for Adams, the the way in which photography had been separate and hadn’t been incorporated as an art form up to that point, necessitated a focus on photography and and yeah, when you said, you know, he wants to, bring other photographers and he really saw it as a place that was not about him, but was about, you know, what what what new things are happening in the medium.

Becky Senf
What kinds of conversations are happening, what are young artists thinking about and doing? How does that link back to what the historic photographers were doing? Where can we draw threads from early, maybe 19th century production all the way to the present and he he saw the potential of having a research center where those kinds of questions could be explored as a really powerful tool for this medium that he believed in.

Becky Senf
And, of course, he he had it his own career. And I think he felt his work was important. He wanted a place where it was preserved, but it wasn’t really. It was a it was bigger. It was really it was bigger than him.

Tom Heath
Yeah. And so then the center for Creative Photography, it’s not just an exhibition space. You are doing the research. You’re doing all of these elements.

Becky Senf
We. Yeah, it’s it’s actually pretty exciting. We so we have a collection. It has two major parts. One is the archive and one is the fine print collection. And we started with five archives. We now have about 300. And, I don’t know how many prints we started with, but we now have over 120,000 fine photographs in our collection, and we create exhibitions and books and research from that content.

Becky Senf
And then scholars from all over the world also create exhibitions and new knowledge from that content. And it’s not just people studying the history of photography. Of course, it might be somebody studying American civil rights, and they come and look at the pictures in our collection or they’re thinking about freelance work in the 20th century. Well, lots of photography was freelance work.

Becky Senf
So we have contracts and and, invoices and products that were created through that freelance work where somebody might be interested in that. So it it creates this opportunity for all kinds of research and, you know, publications and articles and exhibitions, and we lend to things all over the world.

Tom Heath
I read and, maybe I have the number wrong, but there were like 8 million elements of photography. And my first thought was photographs. But then as you’re explaining it now, these are the things that are about the business of photography and the creation of photography, not just photography.

Becky Senf
Right? It might be negatives. It might be contact sheets. So for people who are, not familiar with the analog age, when you had a negative there, you can look at them, but they’re hard to look at. So you’d lay them down on a sheet of photographic paper and create a print that makes a contact sheet. And it it’s like, a gallery on a phone or on a, on your computer where you could look at all of the pictures in a little tiny format to get a sense of which ones might be interesting is that.

Tom Heath
Reuse that little micro little lens and even.

Becky Senf
A little loop. Yeah. To magnify things. Yeah. And then you create a proof print next. And the proof print might be larger than the contact sheet. And that would give you a sense if it was worth working up even further. And then from there you’d make a final print. People kept notes on that whole process. We have the tools that they used in the darkroom to create their final prints.

Becky Senf
We have, we have people who are teachers. We have their syllabi and all the information for the classes that they taught. We have people’s correspondence. If they got a book project, they there would be notes and drafts of the book project and, and of course, all of the technology for how books get made. All of that has changed.

Becky Senf
So we have versions and documentation of processes that are now obsolete and done in different ways. So it’s when you think about those 8 million objects, it’s all kinds of things. It’s portraits of the photographers. It’s well, in the exhibition that we have on view now that celebrating our 50th anniversary, we’ve included a selection of archive objects. And it it has things like Edward Weston’s wedding ring or Lola Alvarez Bravo’s glasses or a helmet worn by David Hume Kennerly when he was covering the conflict in Vietnam.

Becky Senf
It’s all kinds of things that end up in the archive because they help us understand that photographer’s life, their creative process, the finished product that we’re looking at that’s in a frame on the wall.

Tom Heath
That sounds like a Smith Estonian Institute. Is there anything like this anywhere else?

Becky Senf
No.

Tom Heath
Okay, there we go. And if you look over we we’ve done it before.

Becky Senf
I actually I do think that in many ways the center functions like the national Archive of Photography, and it happens to be at the University of Arizona. We are responsible for keeping and protecting and making accessible all of this information about what the medium of photography has looked like in the United States. And one of the things that’s really exciting about the collection is that it represents a network.

Becky Senf
These photographers were not working in a void or in isolation. They were all communicating with each other. They were friends and colleagues or students and and teachers to one another. And we have the correspondence that reflects that. Back and forth and, and the, the, the building of these networks, the way that it created support or competition. There’s a there’s a lot to, be able to see a whole system, represented in an archive, not just one individual, because that’s not how we move through the world.

Becky Senf
We don’t move through the world as individuals. We belong to cohorts. And we have colleagues and we have friends and, and and all of that gets represented in the archive too.

Tom Heath
That is Doctor Becky Smith, chief curator at the center for Creative Photography on the University of Arizona campus. Today is a part one of a two part series. As we discussed the history and evolution of the center and getting into more of its philosophies. And, next week we will further that conversation in part two. Today, you’re listening to Live Along the Streetcar on Downtown Radio 99.1 FM, and we’re always streaming on Downtown radio.org.

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Tom Heath
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Tom Heath
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